Lackluster
Junior's Cave Music Interview with Lackluster
Fall (August/September 2011) Edition
Music Now Spotlight
by Isaac Davis Junior, BGS, MBA
Lackluster
Photo by Paul Cunningham for http://www.coolworldphotography.com
Isaac: It’s an amazing time to be a DIY artist/performer/band/musician. What do you feel you contribute musically to the Indie Music Culture?
Lackluster: Musically, I think we have something original to offer. Everyone in the group has his influences, but even I’m hard pressed to say that we sound anything like any of them. Sometimes, I’d like to be able to think that. Sometimes, you see a band getting all sorts of attention because they sound exactly like someone else. There are times, or perhaps fleeting moments of envy, where I think, “What are we doing wrong? Why can’t we get that?” Really, it doesn’t matter. It’s all so beyond your own control that you literally have no other choice than to be yourself and hope someone likes you for that eventually. I know that sounds lame, but I’d say that little constant inn back-and-forth plays a huge part in our music. It’s as if we’re ourselves, just over selves backed against a wall. I think our music successfully communicates that.
Isaac: If you had an opportunity to sign with a major label, would you sign now knowing you may have to give up some of what you have built up over the years about you in the process?
Lackluster: I don’t see how I’d have to give anything up, unless we signed a terrible developmental deal that put us in a creative vice for some unimaginable length of time. I know bands that have happened to. I think we’d have to lawyer up, to the best of our ability, to prevent that from happening. That doesn’t really affect my opinion of major labels though. They’re an animal, just like the rest of us. Just don’t turn your back on an animal you don’t know.
Isaac: I remembered Simon Cowell from American Idol talking about the “it” Factor that makes a musician/band stand out. What do you think is your “it” factor that makes you stand out from others in the music business?
Lackluster: That’s a great question, and a difficult one. Simon Cowell’s idea of “it” probably revolves around some sort of shtick. Like, everyone in the band wearing cheap suits, or having cool haircuts. In that sense, we’re definitely lack any sort of “it” factor. I think that we’re a bunch of music nerds might appeal to other people who are kind of music nerds. It takes about a month to write a song because I agonize over sound design and structure. Our lyrics are written as a result of some sort of internal dialog, so that it seems they might stand on their own in a conversation. Connor Oberst and Maynard James Keenan write like that as well, and it’s something I’ve always really admired. So, while we might to try to emulate it to some extent, it’s a natural approach for us. There’s fine print that results from that sort of analyzing. I would like to think that our “it” factor is how much effort is involved, and apparently so, in each song if the different elements were to be taken apart.
Isaac: One of the one important elements that will make you stand out from the rest of the musicians/artists in the music industry?
Lackluster: I really don’t know. There are a lot of bands I really respect, and I don’t know how they stand out either. It’s certainly not the result of some superficial means. If we can do that as well, I’ll be content. It’s just going to have to be a question of personal taste for whoever decides to give us a listen. Our music is a little like building a tower from blocks. We add to it and add to it, sometimes taking a piece away. When it seems like it all might fall apart, we stop. I think our music has that “teetering” feel to it, like it all just might give way at any moment. Hopefully, that sort of thing stands out to some people.
Isaac: Do you feel you have given it your best when pursuing your musical dreams so far? Why or why not?
Lackluster: Yes, definitely, and we’re still doing it. I read somewhere that if you truly care about something you should do something every day to make it successful. I’m proud to say that we do that. That might actually be something that sets us apart from most bands! Seriously though, it’s great advice. If, when I’m too old and frail to do this anymore, at least I’ll be able to say that it wasn’t for a lack of effort. If you’ve ever been poor, you know that feeling of when you’re hungry and you think to yourself, “Why did I waste that dollar two months ago? If I hadn’t, I might have it now.” In the end, I’d like to think I made the most of every dollar.
Isaac: Who do you look up to for your own influences and why?
Lackluster: As many bands as I like right now, none of them really influence me. I just like them, and that’s it. Trent Reznor is probably one of a select few that have ever inspired, and not necessarily musically. His approach to his craft, and the level of integrity he maintains, are things I find inspirational. Ask Keith Richards how he wrote Satisfaction. It was an accident. Melody can be such an anomaly, who can really say it inspires them to do anything original? I don’t know, maybe it could inspire someone to do something great, but musically it’s just going to inspire you to try to write a similar song. I’ve always found character more inspiring.
Isaac: Do you feel that Indie music gets the respect it deserves? Why or why not?
Lackluster: Oh, how do I answer this without coming across as a cynic? Black Keys and Arcade Fire both won Grammys this past year, and it wasn’t even Arcade Fire’s strongest effort. So, I’d be inclined to say that not only do they get the respect they deserve, but in some cases more. I’m not speaking specifically of Arcade Fire, but sometimes indie music seems to be a refuge for those who never cared to learn how to play their instrument. It’s great that there’s a genre so accepting of that, but I can find it difficult to respect. A good song is a good song though, and sometimes that’s all that matters.
Isaac: If you could change one thing about the music business, what would it be and why?
Lackluster: I wish artists wouldn’t try to be cool by saying that it’s okay to pirate music. We’re all musicians, we all love music, but none of us stole all of our band gear. We respect the art too much. Likewise, someone that pretends to support you should pony up five bucks to buy a local album, you know. Lars doesn’t need your ten bucks, but that band from your hometown that just got signed does. Since you can’t differentiate exclusively, you have to make it inclusively, and illegal for everyone regardless of how much the bands happen to need your money. Also, so many bands stream their music for free that the tired excuse of not wanting to waste your money on an album is no longer a valid argument. There are plenty of opportunities for someone to try before they buy.
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Lackluster: Life is the biggest setback. Things just happen to you, and you have no choice but to deal with them. When we were recording this album, all sorts of things kept getting in the way, financially impeding our progress. It ended up taking a year and half. I don’t think I’ve learned something about myself really though. I knew what I wanted to do, and that sooner or later I was going to do it.
Isaac: What type of feedback have you been receiving about your music from fans and music critics?
Lackluster: Generally it’s positive. We sometimes get reviews where the person obviously listened to one song and decided to criticize us based on that. As different as each song is from the next, I tend to feel personally slighted, even though I know I shouldn’t. One guy said our vocals were an unsatisfying fit for a band that sounds like Wolf Parade and MGMT. I guess that’s a good thing, since if he’d listened to more than one song he’d know we don’t sound anything like either of those bands. I find it strange that he made that association to begin with, but what can you do other than keep on doing what you do? For the most part, people have been extremely encouraging. It’s been a little odd actually. Having taken so long to record this thing, the songs almost tend to lose some of the personal attachment they once had when they’re not being played live. It’s kind of like people telling you they liked you when you were younger. I never know quite how to take it, but they seem to like it and that means a lot.
Isaac: How do you handle negative feedback or negative energy about your music?
Lackluster: It depends really. If it’s sincere and genuine, I can respect that. If you tell me I suck after a show, I’ll put as much effort into caring about your thoughts as you did in choosing your words. If a critic tears us apart with valid points, I’m cool with that too. Really, if you can take pride in what you say I’m cool with it either way. Though, I wouldn’t respect a book critic who based his opinions on the backs of book jackets. We’ve been fortunate enough to not get a lot of that though. We’ve been fortunate that bands and concertgoers have been very supportive of us.
Isaac: If you knew that you would never gain fame and fortune with what you are doing now, would you continue to make music? Explain.
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If you're really after the money, and you're fortunate enough to get a decent deal from a major label, they'll change everything about you. They'll have other people write your songs for you, or make you write songs for other people. You have an emotional attachment to anything you've created? If you're going after money, I'd hope not. If you reach that goal, congratulations, you’re now just as formulaic as every one of those vapid acts. I, personally, would rather toil in anonymity for the rest of my life than sell my passion to the highest bidder.
Isaac: What role do your family and friends play in the equation of your pursuant of a music career?
Lackluster: They’ve been incredibly supportive. I don’t know if you play music or anything, but it’s somewhat common for someone to hear your music and say something like “don’t forget me when you become famous.” Yeah, I understand that I’m probably not going to be rich and famous, but I’m definitely not going to remember you if you didn’t actually support us in some way either, you know? We’ve been blessed to have families, and a number of friends, who have been extremely supportive. Almost to the point where I don’t understand it, but I definitely appreciate it, and I'd never forget it.
Isaac: What is the best site/s that you can be found on the Internet?
Lackluster: Our one stop shop is www.lacklusterband.com.
Isaac: The floor is yours; final words & wisdom of thoughts...
Lackluster: I would like warn kids against pay to play “opportunities.” I really can’t stress that enough, and it’s something I feel very strongly about. A pay-to-play opportunity typically takes the form of a promoter, who deals almost exclusively in these types of shows, that books a somewhat reputable venue, and requires bands to sell tickets, for which they receive little if any pay from. These often take the form of “Battle of the Bands” types shows, and they’re a huge scam. The number of tickets you sell determines your place in a lineup roughly a dozen bands, and the supposed winner is selected by audience reaction, which is polled at the end of the night. Obviously, it would make sense to be one of the last bands to play, as any people you’re lucky enough to drag out to these things surely won’t want to stick around for 8 hours to give you a shot at some free recording time.
So, you sell 50 tickets, make them $500, you get nothing; but you somehow manage to win and move on to the next round where you get to do it all over again. By the time you win your grand prize of a few hundred bucks and some cheap studio time, you’ve made them thousands of dollars. Kids need to learn that if they had booked their own show they could have bought that studio time, and still walked away with more money than they ever would have had a chance of winning in the first place. If the show happens to be at a sweet venue that you’ve always dreamed of playing, by all means, live out your dreams. I think it’s often overlooked though that establishing this pattern behavior creates a reputation for naivety that will surely be taken advantage of.
Some time ago, we were spammed by one of the biggest perpetrators of these scams in an offer to play one of these battles in Philly. We’re from Columbus, OH. I can lose money without leaving my house, thank you. I, somewhat harshly, told them what to do with their offer, and thought that was the end of it. Several months later we were contacted by a band in Seattle that was being sued by this company for slander. In their suit, they suggested that this Seattle band had created a MySpace profile, and was harassing them. The profile in question was ours. They’d initiated contact with us and didn’t even take the five minutes it would have taken to know that we are a real band. So, you see, these shady promoters don’t care about you whatsoever. They don’t even care to know if you actually exist or not, and they most certainly don’t have your best interests in mind. It frustrates me that they target young, inexperienced, musicians to maintain an operation that really serves no other purpose than to exploit them. It bothers me even more when they claim to be musicians themselves, in an effort to build credibility. If you’d like information on specific companies that operate this way, check out www.neverpaytoplay.com .







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