Allan Hayslip of BONEDOME

Junior's Cave Music Interview with 
Allan Hayslip of BONEDOME
March 2011 Edition 
Music Now Spotlight    

by Isaac Davis Junior, BGS, MBA


BONEDOME

Forget about March Madness, Junior’s Cave’s music page (Music Now) has its own March Madness with a ton of great music spotlights that we know our readers will enjoy! This next spotlight with Allan Hayslip of BONEDOME certainly adds to the music magic that our publication has become know for these days. Hayslip reveals his passion for music and what he hopes to accomplish with his bid to get his music across to the masses. Here is our online conversation in its entirety for your reading pleasure.

Isaac: It’s an amazing time to be a DIY artist/performer/band/musician. What do you enjoy the most about being an indie performer?

Allan: I'm totally independent to make the music I want to make, including occasionally some music that might have a little trouble finding an audience—there's no pressure to compromise. Of course that kind of independence from mainstream market forces also makes it hard for us to garner any mainstream economic benefits, but so far it's been a reasonable trade-off.

Isaac: If you had an opportunity to sign with a major label, would you sign now knowing you may have to give up some of what you have build up over the years about you in the process?

Allan: Ha, maybe, but they might withdraw their offer after hearing my terms. Most of the traditional major label roles are kind of obsolete. We really don't need them for the production/manufacturing money...those costs have necessarily dropped dramatically and other ways of raising money have supplanted the majors' huge budgets, with the added benefit that artists own their own product now.

And nobody's really buying CD's or physical product (except vinyl, which I would argue is more cleverly used as a marketing product), so the traditional distribution networks seem kind of ever less relevant. But, man, there's nothing quite like a shit-load of money and a clever marketing team to get the word out, and put CD's (or at least the artwork) in front of likely customers.

And if you include meaningful tour support in the marketing budget you really have a chance to reach some people in ways that we just can't do when we stick our stuff in storage and hop in the van for 6 weeks of dusty floor-beds, cheap tacos, and shoving small change in the fuel tank.

As great as it is, the democratized noise-floor of the modern all-access Internet music world is rackety, and sometimes it seems like the only way to get yourself heard above the cacophony is with a louder, clearer message targeted at the people who are most prone to liking it, and the majors still may have some use in for that.

Isaac: I remembered Simon Cowell from American Idol talking about the “it” Factor that makes a musician/band stand out. What do you think is your “it” factor that makes you stand out from others in the music business?

Allan: Intensity and integrity, and a certain bear-ish ironic charm. We lovingly labored over every layer, every note on this record and we thing the intensity and integrity of care that went into it puts the music on par with some of the best stuff we've ever heard, and we think our audiences will intuitively appreciate that when they're exposed to it.

Isaac: Why should music fans listen to your music? Describe what they are going to get when they listen to Bonedome?

Allan: One reviewer said that Thinktankubator "rewards the listener with every successive listen", and that's exactly what we were trying to make happen. At first blush, we want the songs to have a quirky hook—something that seems immediately familiar but different, maybe even a little weird.

After that, we think they'll discover that we've drawn on sonic influences that they recognize from every decade and many genres, without concerning ourselves at all with wearing "cool" influences on our sleeves, and this makes the individual discovery of those influences that much more genuine and meaningful for us and the listeners.

People have discovered, in fact, influences that we didn't even recognize when we were making the recordings.

Finally, we think people will find some truths in the lyrics. Almost all my lyrics are about relationships, and almost all relationships evolve or end; we've found that, no matter how dark or how funny, these things do resonate with people, and with any luck we're saying something they may have already been thinking, but hadn't yet found an expression for.

Isaac: Briefly describe your humble beginnings that led you to where you are at musically now.

Allan: My friends and I started a cover band in 7th grade—I chose bass because my best friend already played guitar, and I didn't want to compete with him. We had the requisite rock 'n' roll fantasies of sex, drugs and fame even if we didn't quite know yet what we'd do with any of those things.

We also had parallel (and slightly contradictory) notions of punk-rockness, but we didn't let that slow us down. After a few years and a few school dances, we kinda lost interest in playing covers—it obviously wasn’t the path to stardom—and started writing our own stuff.

We persisted with that band throughout high-school, eventually playing our first "real" club gigs, through college when we were on breaks, and for a couple of years after that. When that band finally broke up, our youthful fantasies never fulfilled, I went on to play bass in a series of bands, including one or two that had some major-label interest/activity, writing songs (some of which are on Thinktankubator) all along.

Really since the end of that teenage dream, each new project has represented a sort of re-reconciliation of expectations in the context of reality, a real ongoing lesson. One of the great things about the lesson is that all of it led up to making a record that we're really proud of, and I expect the next one will be even better.

Isaac: You have some strong iconic influences. Of these influences, which artist/band do you relate to the most and why?

Allan: Many of my musical influences are icons in their respective genres, but I confess it would be a little ridiculous and vain to pretend that I relate to them. I don't personally know David Bowie or Peter Murphy or John Lennon or Paul Weller or Ray Davies or Jack White or Angus Young or Buddy Holly, and I don't know if I could relate to them individually or not, despite how much I obviously connect with their music.

I really relate to more to my friends and former band-leaders who have literally been in the same place as me, and managed to do so much that I respect and admire. I played with Kim Pendleton Bonner (of The Backsliders) and Paul Quigg in Vibrolux, with Bill Longhorse in Sixty-Six, with Johnathan Lacey in Prince Jellyfish, with Barry Kooda in his Combo, with Trey Johson in S.P.A.M, and many other musical visionaries. They've all exert the strongest influences on me—some of Bonedome's songs were written as if they were part of the repertoire of those bands, years after they no longer even exist.

Isaac: Do you feel that Indie music gets the respect it deserves? Why or why not?

Allan: Sure. But I'm not sure what metric we'd use for "respect." The mainstream marketplace shows it's "respect" for things by co-opting it, which usually kills the independent spirit that made it great in the first place—might not want too much of that kind of respect. Local and national "indie" communities show their respect (or lack thereof) by making it exclusive and/or elite, and in doing so they run the risk again of marginalizing some otherwise great stuff that may not seem as fashionable—ironically this is a lot like a small version of the mainstream music marketplace.

The best place to find respect for independent music is within the participants themselves - the artists, the venues, the fans, and things like college radio. If all those participants can respect themselves and their own choices then they can make/leave room for an inclusive and mutually supportive scene, without ever becoming "indie fundamentalists". 



Isaac: If you could change one thing about the music business, what would it be and why?

Allan: The "business" part of the music business will always be a little fucked up—after all it's business, not music, and we don't get into music to be business people. I don't know how to do it, but I wish music could do a better job of representing its true value to the listeners, because if I think we could figure out a way to do that we might all get paid something closer to a living wage.

Also, when I think of all the great music that has never been heard—songs by all my former bands and all my friends' former bands, multiplied by thousands of cities and over a few decades, especially before the Internet—I wish there was some way to connect that music with listeners who never got the chance to fall in love with it.

Isaac: Do you think in the near future that DIY artists/bands will be the norm and big record companies will be very limited?

Allan: Yeah. I think those roles are constantly evolving. But the big record companies will continue to be there, just like now, wherever there appear to be big profits to make for big shareholders. In some ways we could look at this as a blessing, because it keeps all kinds of music resources (engineers, studios, manufacturers, mastering houses) paying the rent so that they can still occasionally work on projects they love—kind of an accidental, indirect patronage system.

Isaac: What type of feedbacks have you been receiving about your music from fans and music critics?

Allan: We're really happy to hear from listeners that they're picking up on almost everything we put into the music and some other stuff too. As a whole, they're really good at finding the diverse influences, including some we didn't even know about.

Some of the songs, even the ostensibly ridiculous ones like Slow Jesus Xing, seem to be resonating with people. And since we labored long and lovingly over the recording process, we're pretty happy to hear that people can appreciate the craft we put into it—they think it sounds really good.

It's nice to hear all that stuff from people you don't know, and who aren't obliged to tell you things they think you want to hear.

Isaac: If you knew that you would never gain fame and fortune with what you are doing now, would you continue to make music? Explain.

Allan: I can't say I'll never gain fame and fortune through music, but I know it's ever less likely, and I seem to care even less. Every passing year, band, and gig has taught us that fame and fortune may not be terribly realistic expectations, and it has never stopped us before. This is something that drives you from deep down, and is almost impossible to stop.

Isaac: How do you handle negative feedback or negative energy about your music?

Allan: We've loved the negative feedback we've gotten so far. Some of it has been spot-on, however subjective. Some of it has been totally absurd. In almost all cases, the negativity has revealed far more about the owner of the negativity than about Bonedome or Thinktankubator. And those rare shitty comments, ironically, have invariably served to galvanize support from our friends and fans in response.

In general, we think negative feedback is better than no feedback at all, and sometimes we can learn something from it, so we say bring it on!

Isaac: What role do your family and friends play in the equation of your pursuant of a music career?

Allan: My friends and my music have always been inextricably intertwined. In fact, it could be argued that my entire social life is organized around whatever band(s). I'm in at any given time, and this has been true since I was 12 years old. My mom has always been generously supportive, and has helped fill in the financial gaps during some of the roughest times, so she's probably got a permanent credit as an "executive producer."

I've been gigging a lot with my niece Tiger Darrow, who released 2 records this year—her senior year in high school. I don't know who's influencing who more—it's so refreshing to play with someone who hasn't yet built-up so many rules we make to protect ourselves from the hard realities of the music biz. We're as mutually supportive as we can possibly be. Plus she's easy to buy gifts for, since she likes/needs a lot of the same goodies I need.

And things would be quite a bit different if my wife and I didn't have a 2-income household, and if she didn't have the patience of whatever mythical classical god is famous for patience...

Isaac: What is the best site/s that you can be found on the Internet?

Allan: There are a million sites out there for bands, and we try to participate in as many of them as we can. MySpace used to be great, but it has (following in the steps of Friendster) become so saturated with blinky flashy spammy porny crap that it's almost completely unusable.

SonicBids has our EPK. BandCamp seems really cool, and we've only just started using it. There are lots of small, niche-y social networking sites where you can put up stuff. Lots of bands seem to use Reverb Nation. Many of the Internet streaming radio stations like Pandora and Jango as well as smaller ones have pages for their bands, and we're on almost all of them.

CDBaby has been very helpful to us, and it's a great place to get all kinds of otherwise hard to find local physical product.

But you want to go where people are, and right now the people are on Facebook by the billions, so that's were we concentrate a lot of our efforts. We really like the options for interacting with people there:http://www.facebook.com/bonedome .

Isaac: The floor is yours; final words…..

Allan: I just want to encourage everyone to do whatever they can to support local music, and that includes spending some money. Most shows around Dallas small venues have a $5-$10 cover these days, and every dollar you spend has a multiplier effect: the bands get some of it, the sound dude gets some of it, and the bars get to see the bands and the fans as an economic force.
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And when you go to the show, buy a drink or two, and tip the bartender decently—you're not just spending money on a beer, you're helping to make the whole thing more viable and making everyone a little happier and more hopeful about what we're all trying to do for each other.

If your friends have a CD out, buy one. If you know another friend would like the music, but won't (or can't) buy a CD, buy one for them. Buy stuff online. Buy a T-shirts. Most sales, even the smallest ones, leave a trail these days, and the ability to sell things reflects well on the bands, predisposing people to give them better gigs, and take everything more seriously.

Artists have always poured a huge amount of money into plying their art, and we're not going to stop. But it would make everything easier for everyone if the audience would step up and let a few dollars pay represent how important music really is to them, and we know how important it really is to them, because artists are invariably listeners, too.

 

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